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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougula View Post
    A thought I've had, regarding Cable and his overdue dismissal that goes beyond just the obvious failure to develop more than 1 competent O-Lineman, is wondering if perhaps his Zone Blocking Scheme has seen it's time come and go in the NFL. Especially given recent rule changes severely restricting and changing what constitutes a legal block and thus the viability of a staple of the ZBS the " cut or chop block". Long a source of contention and agitation for defensive players as well as a so called questionable (although technically legal) practice dating back to the beginnings of the ZBS. Take this tenant away and suddenly the scheme seems a lot less effective. Another thought along these line is does teh ZBS really fit the strengths of the players we have. Would Ifedi (just for example) be more successful in a more traditional man blocking scheme, something that might better take advantage of his strength and power?

    It will be interesting to see who is named as Tom's replacement, it could shed some light on my question as well.
    I've thought the exact same thing. The fall of our run game has kind of coincided with the rule change.

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    I wonder if Walter Jones would be interested in taking some kind of coaching interest in our offensive line. I understand that he may have participated in helping Fant get up to speed at LT. I wonder if he could help bring Ifedi along at an increased pace at RT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOcHOX View Post
    I've thought the exact same thing. The fall of our run game has kind of coincided with the rule change.
    Interesting bit relating to that



    CABLE & BEVELL WERE PASSIVE, PREDICTABLE


    Tom Cable’s offensive line failed because it was passive and predictable and did not use the players’ skills as well as it should have, and the lack of creativity by Cable and Darrell Bevell made it easy for defenses to beat Seattle — according to some great analysis by former Seattle first-round tackle Ray Roberts on 710 ESPN.

    Roberts confirmed what we have said for a long time: Cable’s zone scheme has not worked partly because the Seahawks have not incorporated enough pre-snap motion. There has been almost no misdirection to make defenses wonder what is coming.
    “There’s no other thing for linebackers or defenders to read,” Roberts said of the running game. “They know exactly where it’s going and they can come right downhill and defend it.”

    Kansas City, Minnesota, Atlanta and Houston all have a lot of motion, giving defenses more to digest before the ball is snapped, Roberts said. As we have mentioned, the Texans are a great example of how to run a zone offense. They “created chaos in the backfield” and defenses never knew whether they were going to run it or throw it or run a misdirection play, Roberts said.
    The Seahawks rarely did any of that. “There was just no creativity in how they were putting the run game together,” Roberts said.
    Roberts also said Cable “wasn’t maximizing” the ability of his linemen. He said Germain Ifedi was made to play passively when he is best-suited to an aggressive approach. He was in “retreating mode” on every pass play and was coached to take the same set in every pass pro, Roberts said; defenses knew where he would set up, which made it easier to beat him.
    Cable even had a negative influence on Duane Brown, the star left tackle acquired at the trade deadline, Roberts said. Per the analyst, Brown actually got worse the longer he was with Cable because of a technique that required the linemen to watch two gaps, with an arm extended, as they retreated on pass plays. It left the tackles vulnerable to bull rushes and they had only one arm to block outside speed rushers.
    “That technique has jacked up Duane Brown and I think that’s the technique that has really impacted Ifedi’s ability to get to the outside on the edge rusher because you have so much attention to the inside and then you’re trying to stop a dude with one arm. You can’t do that,” Roberts said.
    Roberts also said what seemed obvious to most: There seemed to be a disconnect among Bevell, Cable and Russell Wilson in 2017.
    “Sometimes the Seahawk offense seemed like it was a buffet line,” Roberts said. “‘Let me put some of this on my plate and see if it works.’”
    Obviously, a two-headed coordinator is not a good idea — Pete Carroll was wrong on that from the beginning, way back in 2011.
    So, to sum up Roberts’ excellent analysis: The new OC needs to be in complete control of the offense and needs to be much more creative in formations and plays, and the new OL coach needs to let his players be more aggressive as he coaches to their strengths and lets them use their natural skills more.
    Now let’s see if that’s what Carroll comes up with in his hires for those positions.

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    I wonder if he punched the HR lady in the face when she told him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC View Post
    I wonder if he punched the HR lady in the face when she told him?
    He only would have done that if she wasn't looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC View Post
    I wonder if he punched the HR lady in the face when she told him?
    Perhaps a chop block at her knees?

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    I'm sharing an interesting article that explains some of Cable's philosophy and documents the drafted and free agent O-lineman the past 6 years.

    https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/1/12...ophy-nfl-draft

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    Cable got hired by the Raiders, good luck with that!

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    Raiders will do just fine with Cable. They will have a OC that runs a consistent offense during the game, not one that just as something works, changes directions, or can't figure out a game for 2 or 4 quarters.
    Cables new OL, won't have to create creative passing lanes for the QB either.
    Cable getting a job was always going to be a no brainer, it's going to be harder for Bevell.

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    Cable can now convert Lynch to the OL

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